Tuesday, December 16, 2008

I've Concluded That You Guys Don't Think I'm an Idiot - A Reflection on the Sexes and the Field

My biggest fear used to be asking questions at user groups. I would get all shaky and nervous, I would have a question and go over it in my mind 20 times. "Is this a dumb question? Will people start throwing batteries at me chanting 'stupid girl?"'" I would go home and ask someone if it was a dumb question, or figure out myself that it was a decent question (there were some dumb ones, I'm not going to lie), and be mad at myself for not asking it. When I finally got the guts to ask a question it was easier then I ever could have imagined, and no one yelled! No one looked at me in disgust, and people were super friendly. I was shocked when guys started writing ME with questions about issues they have run into, or questions about development. 


I've actually really enjoyed being a part of this community. I mean, it stinks that there are so few women in it. There have been times that I have been going through something I felt like only a woman could understand, and have wanted a buddy to talk to. However, everyone has been really warm and friendly. I might even say that being female might be an advantage (sorry guys) because it's so different. 


I feel like the men I have met are really kindred spirits. Why? Because we share common interests, mainly, a love of Software Development and the improvement of our craft. We enjoy debating frameworks, and methodologies, and the advantages of different programming languages.  One thing I have maintained through all of this is my femininity. I, in fact, have unapologetically embraced it. Many would consider this unwise, the male : female ratio in Computer Sciences is about 8:1, even less women persue a career in software development.  Only 10% of this year's Com Sci grads in the US were female. I will admit that while sometimes it is easier being female hardly anyone looks at me with my fake blond hair and shiny lip gloss for the first time and says "wow, that girl looks like she's an amazing developer." A girl does have to work hard to garner respect from her peers in this situation, yes. However, don't think that being a woman who is outstanding in this field and being feminine is mutually exclusive. I believe that many women in the sciences believe that the need to “tone it down” a little in order for men to consider them an equal. I think that kind of thinking is the highest form of sexism, and we're doing it to ourselves.


 


When we turn our backs on traditionally female behavior we tell, not only men but younger women that being a woman does not equal intelligent. We tell them if you love fashion, or homemaking, or sewing, or spending time with girlfriends you can't be respected as someone with a valuable opinion. That you must turn your back on those things you enjoy, don your Birkenstocks and throw your hair up and get in there and show them who's boss. This does nothing but diminish the awesomeness of being a woman and being good at what you do. This sends a clear message "In order to be as respected as a man, you must be androgenous, or look like a man. Otherwise when they see you they wont respect you."


 


Of course, the young ladies in Hollywood who accomplish nothing with their lives but be skinny and try not to pass out in a public place do nothing to help us kill this stereotype. Giving pause and press to people like this hurts all women, because it says if you are someone that makes feminine appeal a priority you automatically give up your self-respect. You will never catch me reading celebrity magazines, or giving a crap about who is dating who. I think the women who capitalize on "I'm a pretty girl, so you should like me" are a shame to the gender. They are holding all of us back. Why can't we idolize women that have attained both ideals of being intelligent and appealing like Marissa Meyer of Google, or Amy Brinkly of Bank of America.


 


We need to teach this younger generation that the marriage of being a woman and being smart is a beautiful thing. We need to encourage them in all their persuits, whether traditionally “male” or “female.” We need to make sure they know that even if all the other people that do what they enjoy don't look like them, that's ok. That it's up to them to change the industry, and instead of conforming in order to “fit in.” They need to try that much harder to be the best they can, so that they can be an example and shining star to the women out there who are afraid to make that step. Because, possibly, if we start doing that this “glass wall” we've created for ourselves by turning our backs on our gender can finally be broken. I'd love to see more women in Software, I think we should start by first telling them "Hey, if you like computers, or math, or science it only adds to your beauty as a woman." Because everyone likes a pretty girl when she's silent, but pretty and smart? That's just beautiful. 


 


 


 


 


 



65 comments:

  1. I loved this post! I sometimes feel at odds between my girly side and my geeky side. I definitely think we can just be who we are and still be competent and respected in our roles! Microsoft (and the WomenBuild program) feels the same way! You should check out the WomenBuild FaceBook Group - Everybody is welcome to join - whether you are a woman interested in technology or a man who KNOWS one!
    www.facebook.com/.../topic.php

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  2. I've noticed that men in the engineering profession don't obsess over what it means to be men in their profession.
    If you came in for an interview with me, I'd ask you about 1) what you know, 2) what you've done, 3) how you solve problems, and 4) how you get along with others. I'd decide whether to make an offer based on my assessment of your experience and capacity to learn.
    If you wanted to talk about being a chick, I'd tune you out just like I'd tune out someone who wanted to talk about being a stamp collector. It's irrelevant to the job.
    Because everyone likes a pretty girl when she's silent
    Not exactly. We like to look at a pretty girl, but if all she can do is look pretty, that gets old pretty quick.

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  3. You look like my old DBA. She was ugly and had a complex about being a woman.

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  4. ok the last 2 comments were just rude. why dont you be nice to girls who are in our field... there are already so little of them there because of ***holes like you. internet does not mean its ok to be an asshole.

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  5. @Dana Coffey knows what her opinion means to me, so that is awesome, thanks.
    @SomeGuy - That's great. I have felt that comfort from my previous employers as well as my current employer which is one of the reasons I work/ed there.
    @Wow, so astute - Yeah, but did she rock?
    @hi there - that will most likely be deleted down the road (for the kids and all) but it will stay up now because I LOL'd
    @random guy - Thank you for being a gentleman.

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  6. the problem with female is that girls complain alot, and girls are always right.
    hey, i never win in a discussion with a girl. i let them win so they just shut up
    and celebrate their victory. But when they realize they are wrong, they wont
    forfeit. Now, apply that to software developmet.
    You may say, Not me! but im sorry, its just the way girls act in my country.
    so you cant change me, and i cant change you.
    And by the way, if you are really into codes and geek stuff. You dont have
    to write this article.

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  7. well said! i second that! I would love to see more female developers! Door is open welcome in!

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  8. guy who hasn't been around for awhileJune 30, 2010 at 6:27 AM

    hi there FTW.

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  9. I don't think its just women
    The myth still lingers on beauty and brains dont mix.
    Holds true for men too - 'handsome geek' definitely sounds like an oxymoron.
    That said. Female devs are definitely welcome - I've worked with a few in the past and they've been just as productive and geeky as the rest of the gang.

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  10. Thanks, guys.
    @Those wondering why I'm focusing on it, or making the distinction, isn't it the nature of our personalities (as developers) to question why? and come up with possible solutions? don't yourself doing that with different things around you?
    @a - I agree on the handsome geek tip

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  11. Whish there were more like you. Go girl, be a role model!

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  12. Sarah TaraporewallaJune 30, 2010 at 6:27 AM

    Julie Lerman (http://www.thedatafarm.com/blog/) talked at the last London Girl Geek Dinner about putting the -ette back into geekette. It was a great talk, saying exactly what you are saying - that we shouldn't feel threatened about our femininity. You can see the footage of the talk at londongirlgeekdinners.co.uk/.../round-up-of-lon
    @SomeGuy - I wouldn't deny that talking about female rights or stamp collection in a job interview would be a good forum for it, there is a subconscious prefilter applied to everyone. If you had someone come in who looked like they didn't know what a shower was, smelled of more than just body odour and had holes in their clothes, regardless of how well they answered your questions you would pre judge and say the person was unfit for the job. Similarly, if the interviewee was blonde and dressed like an 'airhead' your prefilter may rise up, and make it harder for you to just hear the answers to your questions.
    I blogged about women in technology (http://sarahtaraporewalla.com/thoughts/women-in-it/women-in-technology-who-cares-i-do) a little while ago, and someone commented about research in the hiring of members of orchestras:
    Research carried out on �The Big 5? (http://www.princeton.edu/pr/pwb/01/0212/7b.shtml) showed that once they carried out blind auditions they had a 350% increase in female members compared to when the music director knew the gender of the musician. Even more interestingly not only did the number of women getting past the preliminary round increase but the number of men decreased

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  13. A very well written post. I'm getting my wife to read this one, I'm sure this will increase her confidence manifold.

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  14. Honestly,
    this post came off to me as more self-promotion than anything else. Who told you that you needed to dress like a man to succeed in CS? Seriously, who did? Society?
    I'm curious as to why, if you want to be taken seriously as a developer, you feel the need to so heavily promote the fact that you are a girl (girldeveloper.com?) instead of relying on your merits as a developer/blogger. Seems like you are banking on the large male/female disparity in the industry rather than trying to change it.
    Trust me, I'd be as happy as anyone to see more pretty and feminine girls in CS, but I'm not convinced you're helping anyone but yourself with posts like this.

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  15. Why are you so obsessed with being a female in the IT world?
    You're a human like everyone else and nobody really cares that you are female it's just easier to pick on women in branches where there are little to no women because they react just like you do.
    In a online user group you don't -have- to state you're a woman that's your own decision so any reaction based on gender is caused by your own doing.
    I'm not trying to be rude I just think that if people call you out on your gender than you probably provoked them. You don't let a pedophile babysit either then why would you provoke the male nerd population that giggles at words like boobies?

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  16. I would also like to say that I quit reading at Will people start throwing batteries at me chanting 'stupid girl?'

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  17. Hi!
    I read your post and I completely disagree with you. Probably I do not know what I'm talking about because I'm male but nevertheless I feel the urge to share my opinion with you. I think you are embracing sexism yourself in this post. The kinds of behavior you describe as feminine aren't really. It is just our society which tells females to put emphasize on their appearance. Of course you do not have to be less female to be respected by male co-workers. Some colleagues might think that you're not interested enough in technology when you spend a lot of time on dressing and stuff like that. Others might be appealed by your appearance and therefore behave like they respect you.
    To cut a long story, please just don't tell females to fulfill stereotypes.

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  18. Sebastien ArbogastJune 30, 2010 at 6:27 AM

    I would definitely love to see more women in our field, because I think it would balance things up a little bit: we geeks tend to be a little too obsessed with our testosterone sometimes and I have noticed that when there is a woman in the room, guys calm down a little bit. So if there is a woman in the room, and she actually knows what we're talking about, it can only be better.
    That, and I would love to increase the odds of meeting someone who actually understands what I do for a living and with whom I can spend nights hacking... but that's just my own fantasy :oP
    About the Yes, you can be pretty and smart complaint, I have my theory. It might be harsh but if we stop lying to ourselves and come back to our true nature, it makes sense. Behind smartness, there is always a goal. Being smart is useful for survival, it's the modern version of being a good hunter. My theory: if you're pretty, seducing a good hunter is far easier than becoming one yourself, so why bother? It's not your fault, it's just that we are weak and obsessive beings and it would be silly not to use that. Now, if you work hard to be smart even though you don't need to, then I say hurrah but I'm not dreaming, it will probably never be a 50/50.

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  19. I am with 'Pet Rock' and 'mc' and to continue....
    True beauty takes time to discover and to be appreciated, its something you have to belief and work for. Hence if a person takes an interest in any subject, he/she should work hard at it and make it a part of them, and then only (in my honest opinion) well they find the inner peace and beauty of it. That way, it wont matter whom you are or how you dress to enjoy and love your work...because it simply would just not matter anymore.
    To directly promote intellectuality for woman (and their professions) because it just IS beautiful by default is fundamentally no different then selling a new line of lipsticks.
    Don't get me wrong I support equality, and I DO see how men treat woman on a daily basis where I am from. But personally I would like woman and actually all people (male and female) to stop playing the sympathy card and TRULY do what they want or believe in....for themselves.

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  20. Sorry one last point...
    Intellectuality comes from study, understanding, analyzing, application and comprehension.... and it gets manifested through a person with his/her actions...not looks.

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  21. Hi Sara,
    I have been reading your blog for a while now, in spite of working on the Java side, and I love it! I think you are doing a great job promoting IT amongst women and while, in an ideal world that shouldn't be necessary, the world we live in clearly shows that it *is* needed right now. When I was at Uni *cough*12*cough* years ago, the undergrad ratio was 5m:1f (at least) and my postgrad had no women at all!
    If I ever make a switch to the dark side ;) - even ALT.NET - I won't hesitate in attempting to pester you for advice!
    Keep up the good work.
    Peter.

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  22. I'll just tentatively clarify one little thing - don't get the reaction to behavior confused with the reaction to gender. For instance of the case of the women who capitalize on being a pretty girl, some men have equal contempt for other men who live by their wardrobe, too.
    Men can have all of these reaction towards other men. Guys who are all social-skills and no engineering-smarts end up being managers instead of coders, men who obsess over sports are bimbos while the ones who obsess over sci-fi and video games are the true geeks, and as for fashion and looks, well, imagine a construction crew where one of the guys keeps showing up for work wearing Ambercombie and Fitch when the standard apparel is blue jeans and a sweatshirt...
    So, you not only fight for gender equality, you fight for general human-race equality.
    Keep up the good work; we need people like you!

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  23. Hi Sara,
    I notice some attractive young women here have an amusing strategy -- while the young guys are distracted by their looks and are posturing and showing off, they get their stuff done or make their point with no wasted time. The girls aren't playing games -- I have no patience with that either -- just letting the guys own tendencies keep them out of the way.
    People are endlessly fascinating.

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  24. Wow, some of these comments make me feel bad about being a guy. Good job, Internet.
    In any case: Sara, I just wanted to comment and throw up my flag of support for you. Huzzah!

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  25. I love the battery reference, it is very seasonal to my adopted home town of Philadelphia.
    To be honest though, my take on women in software development is the following: I would love to see more women in computer sciences, because it brings balance. I don't think anybody is debating that, we need the balance to bring new ideas to room and different ideas. But the added long term benefit of having more women in the field, is that it starts to remove stereo types, and brings younger and younger children into the computer sciences.
    Parents no longer feel ashamed to encourage their kids to become a software developer, and computer scientists. Because the everyday role models that people associate with the field, will not be the geeky overweight guy that can't get a girl friend. We all know this isn't the majority of the cases, however the stereo type is one for a reason.
    I would venture to say that no parent wants that for their child, so if the field is readily populated with a mix of the sexes. Parents can feel good about encouraging their young children, both girls and boys, to see if they are any good at CS. Because they feel at ease that their child is going to have a normal life, grow up to get married, and have kids.
    So that is my take on why have a mix of sexes in software development is good.

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  26. There is one thing I wanted to add. I go myself to a school with a male to female ratio of about 20:1. We only have 17 girls in the whole school. Our headdress is female so there a lot of programs which aim to bring more girls to our school. The girls HATE them. All those projects trying to bring females into male dominated areas are fundamentally flawed. You cannot achieve equality by treating people different.

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  27. Sara, I think you make a great point when you say However, don't think that being a woman who is outstanding in this field and being feminine is mutually exclusive.
    One insidious aspect of sexism (and racism, and many other -isms) is that people who are supposedly in favor of equality will end up perversely advocating for things that destroy equality.
    For example, someone who claims to want more women in the IT field might start talking about how women have to work harder to fit in, by dressing a certain way, or not wearing makeup, etc.
    Now, that person's intentions may be good, but it's not their place to tell anyone else how to dress or act. All that should be required, regardless of gender, is that someone's dress and behavior be professional.
    Wearing make-up, fashionable clothes, and dying one's hair can all be perfectly professional. Of course, so can not wearing make-up and wearing jeans and birkenstocks.
    However, I think you several undermine your point when you say When we turn our backs on traditionally female behavior we tell, not only men but younger women that being a woman does not equal intelligent.
    It's not your place to tell some other woman how to act either! Maybe some women _want_ to turn their back on traditionally feminine behavior. That's cool too, and you should accept that, just like you want people to accept you.
    The fairest way to treat people is to start with the assumption that they act and dress the way they do because that's their choice, and then respect that choice.
    If we want to fight the -isms, we need to start treating each person as an individual, not as a representative of their gender, species, religion, country, etc.

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  28. A woman coder friend of mine said not too long ago, Whenever I meet a fellow woman coder, I want to hug her.
    She (and another I know) always have to jump through extra hoops at a new job to prove they weren't hired for their looks or some other nonsense.

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  29. I've been following your blog for quite some time now with mixed feelings. My initial reaction is to blend in. I'm a developer... in addition to that, I'm a female. I may be unique in both regards, but I don't believe being female makes me a unique developer and I don't believe being a developer makes me a unique female. Because of this, I try to avoid being labeled a female developer. However, this post struck a cord with me.
    While I do not feel being female plays much, if any, role on my abilities and opportunities as a developer (maybe I'm being naive) I do believe that being in a predominantly male field has lead to me letting go of values like killer shoes or lip gloss. You are correct that as a developer, those values don't mean much. My colleagues won't notice whether or not I am wearing makeup or if my shoes match my purse, so for the most part I don't care either. Maybe that means I've let go of some of my femininity and maybe that is a bad thing, but I don't think I've done it in order to appear competent. I've done it because I'm able to avoid the social pressures that women put on themselves and each other. Is that bad? Maybe. Does it give younger girls the wrong impression? Possibly. But have I done it to be a more respected developer? No, I don't believe so.
    I agree with you that there may be some relationship between our profession and our femininity, but I think that relationship is an extremely complicated one that varies from woman to woman. I think saying that we let ourselves go because of our field may be over simplifying it. I may have let go of some feminine values but I've also maintained several very traditional female values. I love to cook and take care of the people in my life. When my husband and I start a family I fully intend to be one of those soccer mom types... while also maintaining my kick ass developer qualities ;o) Like you, I'm not letting my profession or colleagues change the things that are important to me.
    I guess I'm agreeing and disagreeing with this one. Good post, you bring up some valid points and are definitely thought provoking :o) Maybe tomorrow I'll remember to put a little bit more effort in and not don the black pants and brown boots I'm wearing today, lol.

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  30. Thank you so much for this. :) It's true - and no offense to the guys out there, but you can't know what it's like until you've lived it - most of the time, I feel like there are things about myself that I have to hide or discard if I want to be taken seriously.
    I've been lucky to work in some engineering teams where I've felt right at home, treated like an equal, but that hasn't always been the case. In the best of the bad situations, I've been propped up in a corner like an ornament and given nothing challenging to do; at the opposite end of the spectrum, there've been ugly sexist remarks and suggestive comments.
    But again, for every sexist jerk and scared little geek boy, there've been nearly as many solid, cool guys who respect my opinion without regard for anything other than my brains and experience. It's a constant struggle though, figuring out where I'm going to fit in and how much of myself I can safely reveal.
    You're saying what's on a lot of our minds, and I applaud you for that. (And thank you for leaving the anonymous comments up - hilarious!)

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  31. I have an Internet here on my desk with your name on it.
    You can send someone around to pick it up for you any time you like. It's a little damaged, and some of the packets are corrupted, but it works great and you wouldn't want an Internet that wasn't at least a little worn around the edges from heavy use, would you?

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  32. Actually, I do think you're an idiot. Please shutup as hard as you can.

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  33. To be honest, I think women do bring something to the IT field. They've certainly made me look at a problem I'm having from a different angle.
    I've not been scared of asking a chick for advice on programming either, and I'm a better code monkey for it.
    Seriosuly, if you don't open your mind, you won't learn anything.

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  34. I suspect most of the idiots who accuse you of discussing being feminine as a form of self-promotion are not fathers of daughters. When a smart male developer also takes time to care about his appearance or masculinity, nobody makes a note of it. When a female does it, she's playing up her femininity. Double Standard 101.
    I want my young daughters to know that they can grow up being intelligent and having strong, informed opinions without that coming at the expense of also being an attractive, feminine woman. There is pressure from all over the place for young girls to be pretty first and be smart and be assertive only come later in the priority list. But there's no reason to ignore the all of the above option.
    So keep at it.

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  35. Maybe it's because I'm a guy that I don't notice this but I don't know anyone who things you're idiots. In fact technically inclined girls are about the hottest thing on the planet.
    I guess that by being honest I've sealed my reputation as a sexist pig. Sorry about that ;):).
    Excellent post!

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  36. Its a shame that many women in the sciences believe they need to �tone it down� a little in order for men to consider them an equal. You're right that this kind of thinking is the highest form of sexism, and that the women doing it are doing it to themselves.
    Instead they should do what any other person who is or will be a great developer will do in user groups. I suggest they pay close attention, learn the concepts and as questions creep up that they immediately shoot their hand in the air. But instead of worrying what people think of their questions they should spend all that time between when they shoot their hand in the air until the presenter acknowledges them worrying about how they'll ask the question so that its articulate and appropriate enough to greatly increase the likelihood of getting a useful answer. They could also try googling it or twittering it from their Blackberry ;)
    I certainly hope the sexism, racism and other historical human civilization bad habits can be left behind by all. An IT professional is a professional and should be judged based on their knowledge of current tools like C#, TFS, MOSS, Sharepoint, etc., their experiences in the industry and their ability to work with others and get results.

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  37. @ - [...] and no offense to the guys out there, but you can't know what it's like until you've lived it - most of the time, I feel like there are things about myself that I have to hide or discard if I want to be taken seriously.
    No offense to the girls here, but geek guys do know what it's like to be ostracized, or feel out of place, and pressure socially to conform to some outside standard. Or have we all forgotten how uncool geeks tend to be prior to university?

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  38. Hi Sara. I have a question for you: in your About Me page, why do you say Hi Nerds and then talk like you're talking to all guys?
    Cheers,
    Liz

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  39. What made you believe that guys considered you an idiot in the first place?
    Anyways, you look smoking hot.

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  40. Okay, I'm not blaming society or guys or anything for this, but girls who enter a male-dominated field basically all have to go through a couple extra levels of hell to get there.
    One is being thought you've gotten to where you are because of your looks, etc. I think most of us can get past that pretty quickly as soon as we've shown people we're actually talented.
    But the other one - and this is the ones guys should actually watch out for if they'd like more hot girls in their profession - is that there's a period of time where girls who are attractive will get treated like crap in a particular field either because we're 1) around all the time, and 2) either not interested in a particular guy, or perceived as being out of their league or thinking we're too good for the guys we're working with every day.
    This usually happens when we're in school or just starting out in a job, when we're working with lots of single guys - this is why I work with married guys now, btw. We're treated like crap, and we kinda know why, and some girls will be able to stand up and say this is how I am, screw you, I'm awesome, and some will start to think well, maybe if I stop looking attractive, they'll stop shitting on me. Either way, its a phase and eventually stops, and whatever she did feels like it worked. And that's why girls sometimes feel like they're not supposed to be attractive in a male industry.

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  41. @Kristen:
    It's ok to look attractive, but if you wear miniskirts and tight shirts then it becomes a problem. It's hard to get work done if blood constantly gets rerouted to the wrong head. So it's ok to look attractive, but not too tempting.
    I'm sure you feel the same way about men. You wouldn't want to change panties every 30 minutes because you went bananas for that one hot guy.

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  42. Stop Swastika SpammingJune 30, 2010 at 6:27 AM

    This is stupid, you wanted meaningful discussion on gender and all you get lipstick and miniskirts.
    P.S. Your little IP diagrams look like swastikas, stop using C4 group symmetries it offends those of us who are Jewish.

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  43. It's easy to sub comb to stereotyping, the world is quite a superficial place and we constantly measure and classify everything around us whether we're aware of it or not.
    Now I don't know if you're smart, I also can't really tell if you're pretty, but chances are you'd make any man look twice at a developer conference, including me. Either way, more power to you. Your post remind me of Stupid Girl by Pink. Which I'll put on now. ;)

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  44. The last person I fired was a women because she can't deliver her work. Wish there was more women like you.

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  45. .NET huh? Humph.

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  46. What's really wild about this is that I was raised with a set of standards that always seemed different than most. My parents were very careful to make sure that I didn't grow up with any preconceived notions about anyone. So I never had any racial notions about anyone and I definitely never had any attitudes toward women in any field. So the fact that there aren't very many female developers out there never really surprised me, female science and math professionals have always been a rarer commodity than I would like, but I never thought any less of them when I did run into them.
    Truth be told, finding an attractive geeky woman who can share my interests is at the height of my fantasies. Intelligence is sexy. Its nice to know that there are women out there who are willing to embrace their femaleness and still be able to throw down code with the best of us. I imagine it must be fairly frustrating to not have many others to talk to, but it surely seems like you've got a pretty healthy handle on the situation.
    As a final aside I should mention that I currently work with a developer who hails from Brazil and is, you guessed it, a woman. She's a very good developer and I enjoy working with her. Another woman from India recently joined us as well and while I don't yet know her very well she seems like a good developer and an interesting person. So the tide is rising and I for one am looking forward to seeing more women in the office.

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  47. i tried to vote for you as a sexy geek but i suck at the intarwebs
    blog.wired.com/.../every-geeks-a-l

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  48. I think the response to attractive women in CS falls into two categories. 1) guys fall all over themselves to help out the girl, or 2) insecure guys get all pissed off about it because they suck at coding and can't get laid either. Group #1 is a lot more prevalent but group #2 complains a lot more, because they don't get the kind of assistance that the good looking girls do.
    Frankly group 2 irritates the hell out of me. Many of my close friends are good looking girls who I helped with programming at some point.

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  49. I tried to post a comment here last week, but the web form just ate it, instead of posting. So I wrote a much longer (and rambling) post on my blog about it.
    honestillusion.com/.../men-women-caree

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  50. Gender stereotypes are alive and well in all walks of life.
    I've worked with probably 4 or 5 female developers in my career, two were outstanding and could leave me in the dust, one wrote so many WTFs she got promoted to management ;-). All were what I would class as attractive, but when you've worked with someone for a while you stop noticing that.
    Anyway, you girls think development is bad, try being a bloke taking an active role in childcare. I walk my son to the local nursery every morning and I reckon I'm the only guy in the entire town that does it. The nursery has one male staff, other playgroups in the area are 100% female. You just don't see fathers _on their own_ with a pushchair - it seems to be taboo. It's not the done thing. Your stereotypical young man hotwires cars and smashes up bus shelters. Lovely.
    The flip side to that is by carting a kid around you will suddenly find young girls and women fawning all over you like flies. I don't have to get dressed up or anything, it just happens. I guess it's the same with women going into traditionally male dominated fields like engineering, except you can go into engineering when you're single, so you lot have it easier.

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  51. Sara, you rock, and so does this blog.
    @Some Guy: Your interviewing technique sounds very different to, well, pretty much every time I've ever been interviewed. In my experience, most interviewers do not ask chicks any technical questions. I don't know if it is different for males or not.

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  52. You should request a blog over at http://weblogs.asp.net/ if you are an ASP.NET web developer. They opened it up to anyone so you don't need to be a Microsoft employee. I get free books to review because I blog over there.

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  53. Great Post! Personally, embracing my inner geek has made me feel more feminine than ever before. Coding is a creative and expressive endeavor, and it makes me feel like me.
    That's feminism at it's finest - having the courage to be who we are. Intelligent, creative, beautiful, funny, strong...
    We should continue to encourage each other to be our very best in every area of life. Without fear, anger, or shame.
    Thank you.

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  54. I have spent the last couple of weeks reading blogs by several women developers. This was actually an accident at first. I was looking for information on XP and came across http://wundasworld.blogspot.com/. Then, via Twitter, I discovered many others. I have a daughter, and while at three-and-a-half months she may be a little ways away from choosing a career path, I am so very pleased to see role models out there who show that women can succeed in this field. Not that I necessarily think she'll follow in her daddy's footsteps, but I want her to know that she can if she wants to. Along with my encouragement, she's going to need to see success stories in the real world to feel comfortable branching out. The same thing, BTW, is true for my son. My wife is a marriage and family therapist, and the male:female ratio there is pretty much the opposite of software development. I am glad that my wife knows some men who are successful in her field so my son can see those examples and know that this option is open to him, too. As a society, we've wasted so much talent by pigeonholing people, and I'm very glad to see these walls crumble.

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